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Thursday, March 08, 2007

I was reading at Speak up for Truth the other day and found this comment to one of her posts.
If found it to be very interesting in light of what we know from the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and the revelations of Joseph Smith. I thought of what is it Satan really wants us to believe and what he wants us to worship. I thought of an Education Week class that I attended called "How God Lost his Body. Here is the body of the comment in whole.

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.
All praise belongs to Allah Glorified and Exalted is He and may He make mention of His final Messenger Muhammad amongst the greater gatherings of the angels and may peace be upon Muhammad’s family and companions and all those who follow them until the Day of Ultimate Judgment. To Proceed:
We are going to attempt to present some principles, God-willing, which, logically, cannot be disproved by the sound mind.
1. Anything having a beginning cannot be a true god. Because that would entail that something other than him gave him that beginning, which would thus mean that he is imperfect and subordinate to something more powerful; something that had his life in It’s hands. Henceforth, there can only be one being who had no beginning.


We are taught that before our spirits were created we were intelligence meaning that we had an existence and have always existed. How our spirits and body form afterwards and growth and experience expand on that is a mystery, but I would submit that God has always existed.

2. There can only be one being who had no beginning because without a first being there can be no second being.
This is the proof that the Creator of creation is the only true God for all times and places.

For us the only thing that matters is our Creator, that he created us and gave us life. How he became God is another mystery that we do not understand at this time. How all things began is not important to me, but what is important is I was created.

3. Anything that began as imperfect will always be imperfect because perfection entails that it is forever or everlasting.


This is exactly why there was a plan in place to provide a Saviour for us all. That we may overcome the law of justice by the mercy of the Father and the Son.

4. He cannot have a rival or an equal because rivalry or equality with something else would mean that he is prone to imperfection.
It would mean that there is a challenge to His authority and His perfection entails that there cannot be a challenge to His authority, as He is the Organizer of the affairs and He cannot be contended with in that. If He was contended with in His authority there would certainly be a confrontation or a contest. Likewise two perfect beings would not be able to have a contest because there could be no victor. Therefore they would both be imperfect because neither of them could win. This proves that only one perfect being can exist and that there can never be a second perfect being.

There can be a second perfect being because his perfection is the same as that of the Father. Their Goals are the same. In the same token the Son offers his life and his perfection as a testimony and offering to His creator, our Father.

5. Perfection cannot be duplicated. Perfection entails that the one possessing it be entirely unique.


Every sunset is perfect and beautiful, and unique. The one that created it created all Sunsets and they are all unique. Likewise our Father and His Son are unique individuals with different experiences. Perfection is a goal, a process, and a description, not a noun.

6. Assuming that God hears everything and knows everything-which He does- then it is pointless to pray to anything other than him or to pray in the name of anything other than Him.
He hears everything so why does he need an intermediary between you and Him in order to answer your supplications?


We need a mediator because we are not perfect. The one that stands for us in the one that covers our imperfections and sins that we may stand Spotless before the Father.

7. God cannot have parents or children because of principles number 1- 4.
Having parents would mean there was more perfect beings before Him and that there was no First being. Also having children would necessitate that He had a wife who would be His rival. It would also mean that he was making a rival to Himself on earth by having children or a son.


Does this explain all the murders and death with in powers because they view children as threats to rule? Obviously the one that made himself a rival to God's plan would want us to think that to have a perfect Son would be a threat to the perfect Father. Not so because of their perfection they are one in purpose, not wavering. The perfect Son does not want the glory of the Father, but gives his Glory to him, to add to his perfection. It is the Son that wanted that place that becomes the rival to God's plan. His spouse would also want the same things her husband desires. Not in competition but in work, and support and perhaps equality. Not one higher than the other. (Do I sound a bit feminist there. :) )

8. God is more glorious and beautiful than all He created and no one can claim to have seen Him in this life so how do you know what He looks like?
To then say that He looks like his creation- humans or otherwise is a blasphemous concept. wouldn't’ it be better for you to reach paradise by His mercy and then see Him as He really is, being more glorious than anything one can imagine or concoct?


I am not sure I understand the purpose of this comment. Even if we are given the opportunity to gaze upon the face of God, does not mean we reach paradise without his mercy. I do not see how these two thoughts are in opposition? What about you?

9. Anyone claiming to be a prophet of God who violates these principles in his belief is not true in his claim because all the prophets of God believed in one perfect God. Why would a prophet of God tell you to worship anything other than God alone? He is a prophet of God!!! (I.e. one commissioned by God to teach how to worship God) Not himself or other creations which do not deserve worship.


A prophet is one that testifies of the Glory of God and his Son. This is obviously stated by someone that does not understand or agree with the concept of presidency and how it works.


Now that I have stated these principles I would like to share the evidence from the final revelation-the Qur’aan, as follows-
Or have they taken for themselves gods from the earth who resurrect the dead? Had there been within them (i.e. the heavens and earth) gods besides The One God, they both would have been ruined. So exalted is The One God, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe. He is not to be questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned. Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say, O Muhammad, “Produce your proof. This Qur’aan is the message for those with me and the message of those before me.” But most of them do not know the truth, so they are turning away. And We* sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, “There is no deity except Me, so worship Me.” And they say, “The Most Merciful (i.e. God) has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather they (i.e. the Prophets and angels they claim are God’s children) are but honored servants. They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command. He knows what is presently before them and what will be after them, and they cannot intercede except on behalf of one whom He approves. And they, from fear of Him, are apprehensive. And whoever of them should say, “Indeed I am a god besides Him”- that one We would recompense with Hell. Thus do We recompense the wrongdoers. (Chapter: The Prophets: 21-29 English translation of the Qur’aan) [*the royal “We” here meaning- God-the King of all that exists not plural deities] And when the true promise (i.e. the resurrection) has approached;-
then suddenly the eyes of those who disbelieved will be staring in horror, while they say, “O woe to us; we had been unmindful of this; rather, we were wrongdoers.” Indeed, you disbelievers and what you worship other than The One God are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to enter it. Had these false deities been actual gods, they would not have come to it but all are eternal therein. (Chapter: The Prophets: 97-99)
Say, “What thing is greatest in testimony?” Say, “The One God is witness between me and you. And this Qur’aan was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you truly testify that with The One God there are other deities?” Say, “I will not testify with you.” Say, “Indeed, He is but One God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate with Him.” (Chapter: The Grazing Livestock: 19)
He is Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion (i.e. wife) and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing. That is The One God, your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is disposer of all things. Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives all vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted. (Chapter: The Grazing Livestock: 101-103)
Say, “Who is Lord of the heavens and earth?” Say, “The One God.” Say, “Have you then taken besides Him allies not possessing even for themselves any benefit or any harm?” Say, “Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Or is darkness equivalent to light?
Or have they attributed to The One God partners who created like His creation so that the creation of each seemed similar to them?” Say, “The One God is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Prevailing.” (Chapter: The Thunder: 16)
That is The One God, your Lord, Creator of all things; there is no deity except Him, so how are you deluded?” (Chapter: The Forgiver: 62)
As a last statement I would just like to remind all those who read this that the Day of Judgment is truth, and it is the final judgment; so do not delay in making your beliefs in God proper before death and in following the true Prophets of God in Islam. They are the ones God sent for the benefit of all mankind until the last day. The revelation of the Quran and the life-example of the Prophet Muhammad- peace be upon him, are still complete and intact and they will remain so until all of mankind will meet their Lord. Be one who God is pleased with on that day and do not die except on the truth. If you do so you will be rewarded with paradise and be protected from hellfire.



All I could think of while reading this was what is it Satan wants. He wants to be worshiped, the one without a body, the one that has no power above what we give him, the one that wants to take the place, not only of the Son but that of the Father. I have not studied Islam, nor have I particularly wanted to, I just found this post to be a rather interesting tritiste of what another power would have us believe of the Impotence of God, not his ultimate power. Anytime someone limits the ability and power of God always makes my head turn and shake with disbelief and wonder. How often do we do that in our own church? How often do we do that in our own homes, and in our own lives. As Stephen E. Robinson Said, "Do we really believe what He says, and that he can do what He says."

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